Emco Fb 3 nakup rabljenega (150)

Stanje: dober (rabljeno), Please read the technical specifications carefully. If you are considering this machine for an investment, we kindly request your full credentials, including a correct telephone number and email address, in order to provide a quote. EMCO Tool Milling Machine Type FB 3 (not a DECKEL FP 1) with 3-axis HEIDENHAIN digital display Year of manufacture: 2007/2008 2 units available! Travel distances X/Y/Z: 300 x 200 x 350 mm Spindle taper vertical/horizontal: SK 30 DIN 2080 Tool clamping: manual Quill stroke: 45 mm Vertical milling head swiveling: +/- 90 degrees Spindle power: 1.1/1.4 kW (60/100% duty cycle) Spindle speed vertical/horizontal: 80–2,200 rpm Gear stages: 8 Fixed angle table: 600 x 200 mm Infinitely variable feed: X/Y axis: 0–550 mm/min Rapid traverse: X/Y axis: 1200 mm/min Feed Z-axis: manual Machine dimensions (W x D x H): 1150 x 1410 x 1550 mm Redpfxsxx R Its Abhen Weight: approx. 500 kg Standard equipment: 3-axis HEIDENHAIN digital display; coolant system integrated in the machine base; angle table; manual central lubrication; pivoting device for vertical spindle; chip tray; splash guard. CE compliant Special features: HEIDENHAIN precision digital display Stepless feed control/rapid traverse in longitudinal and cross axes Control panel with clear keypad for easy operation Safety handwheels on all 3 axes Adjustable precision tapered roller bearings Adjustable, dual-action hardened gib strips Removable coolant tank Additional equipment: SEMER brand micro-spraying device connected to coolant switch/standard coolant pump Areas of application: Ideal for device and prototype construction; training/education; craft workshops; advanced DIY mechanics The machines originate from a training institution. Condition: good to very good Available from March 2026 or sooner by arrangement.

Leto izdelave: 2001, Stanje: zelo dobro (rabljeno), Digital readout: Heidenhain Table travel ranges Longitudinal travel (X): 450 mm Cross travel (Y): 300 mm Vertical travel (Z): 350 mm Clamping surface: 800 x 400 mm Tool holder: SK 40 Quill stroke: 100 mm Swiveling vertical milling head: ±90° Speed range: 50–2500 rpm Machine dimensions: Length: 1485 mm Width: 1475 mm Height: 1475 mm Rsdpjnab A Nofx Abhsn Weight approx.: 1500 kg

Stanje: rabljeno, Leto izdelave: 1997, Funkcionalnost: popolnoma funkcionalen, številka stroja/vozila: F4N K5 105, Emco FB5; letnik 1997; pribor: glava nasprotnega vretena + cca 10 kos SK 40 držal za orodje; krmiljenje Prototrac Rodpfjyctq Hjx Abhsn

Stanje: dober (rabljeno), Leto izdelave: 1997, Funkcionalnost: popolnoma funkcionalen, dolžina podajanja os X: 450 mm, dolžina pomika po osi Y: 300 mm, dolžina podajanja os Z: 350 mm, 3-osni digitalni prikazovalnik Horizontalno in vertikalno rezkalno vreteno Pinola Tehnični podatki: Dolgobna posuv X / vzdolžno pomikanje X: 450 mm Prečna posuv Y / prečno pomikanje Y: 300 mm Navpična posuv Z / navpično pomikanje Z: 350 mm Velikost mize: 800x400 mm Vpenjalni konus vretena: SK40 Območje obratov: 50-2500 min⁻¹ Območje pomika: 8-400 mm/min Pogonska moč: 3,2 kW Teža stroja: 1500 kg Rsdpfewyit Hex Abhen Tehnični podatki, pribor in opis stroja niso zavezujoči.

Stanje: skoraj kot novo (rabljeno), Leto izdelave: 2019, obratovalne ure: 100 h, Funkcionalnost: popolnoma funkcionalen, številka stroja/vozila: F9B192402, dolžina podajanja os X: 450 mm, dolžina pomika po osi Y: 350 mm, dolžina podajanja os Z: 400 mm, največja hitrost vretena: 5.000 obr/min, hod vretena: 80 mm, hitro pomikanje X-os: 5 m/min, hitri pomik os Y: 5 m/min, hitri pomik na osi Z: 5 m/min, skupna višina: 1.990 mm, skupna širina: 2.030 mm, skupna dolžina: 1.980 mm, širina mize: 270 mm, dolžina mize: 400 mm, vrsta vhodnega toka: trifazni, največja hitrost vrtenja: 5.000 obr/min, vrtljajska hitrost (min.): 10 obr/min, obremenitev mize: 450 kg, skupna masa: 2.270 kg, vhodna napetost: 400 V, teža obdelovanca (maks.): 450 kg, vhodni tok: 16 A, vhodna frekvenca: 50 Hz, Oprema: CE označba, dokumentacija / priročnik, vrtilna hitrost brezstopenjsko nastavljiva, EMCOMAT FB-450 MC with Sinumerik 828D Path Control with “Manual Machine” Universal tool milling and drilling machine equipped with Sinumerik 828D path control and hydraulic tool clamping Working area X450/Y350/Z400mm Drive power 7/10 kW Rsdoxapdcepfx Abhjn Speed range from 10–5000 rpm Feed rate from 10–5000 mm/min Rapid traverse up to 5000 mm/min Machinist’s precision as per DIN 8615 Tool holder: DIN 69871 SK40 Includes: • Linear guides • Ball screw spindles • Vertical milling head, swivels +/-90°, with 80mm quill travel • Swivel-out device for vertical head • Hydraulic tool clamping • Coolant system • LED machine lamp • Fixed angle table 800x400mm • Work area guard incl. chip tray • Automatic central lubrication • Operating tools • Documentation • Machining with open door (Operating Mode 3) • Controlled and manual operation modes combined in one machine • Sinumerik 828D path control incl. control package for 3 axes with ball screws and servo motors, Process cycles with graphical user support: Drilling cycles for drilling, deep drilling, reaming, tapping (with length compensation) on bolt circles and linear hole patterns, rectangular and circular pockets, slot milling cycle, facing cycles, etc., USB interface

Stanje: skoraj kot novo (rabljeno), Leto izdelave: 2013, Funkcionalnost: popolnoma funkcionalen, Universal Milling Machine Emco Emcomat FB-450 Linear with Position Display — As New Condition, CE-Compliant! Technical Specifications: >> Year of manufacture: 2013 Machine No.: F9A124962 >> Milling table clamping surface: 800 x 400 mm Clamping slots: 8 Slot width: 14 H 8 Rsdpfx Abowycv Ijhen Slot spacing: 50 mm Max. load: 150 kg >> Infinitely variable spindle speed: 10–5000 rpm >> Infinitely variable feed rate: 10–5000 mm/min Rapid traverse X-axis: 5000 mm/min >> Travel (X/Y/Z): 450/350/400 mm >> Vertical and horizontal quill – SK40 >> Hydraulic clamping system >> Quill stroke: 80 mm >> Weight: approx. 2000 kg >> Dimensions (approx.): 2.5 x 2 x 2 m >> Main drive motor: 10 kW >> Spindle brake >> Technical documentation, spare parts diagrams, operating manual >> Hinged enclosure >> Coolant system >> Machine lamp >> Dividing head >> Rotary table >> Machine vise >> Counterholder About the machine: For sale is a universal milling machine Emco Emcomat FB-450 Linear equipped with a position display. This universal milling machine is in as-new condition, coming from a state-owned enterprise where it was only rarely used for training purposes. The control system is very user-friendly. Additionally, the machine features both vertical and horizontal hydraulic clamping. Conversion from vertical to horizontal operation is extremely straightforward, thanks to the fold-away vertical head. The Emco has been mechanically and electrically tested in our facility. You are welcome to view and test the machine under power at our location.

Stanje: dober (rabljeno), Leto izdelave: 2004, potovalna razdalja osi X: 450 mm, pomik osi Y: 300 mm, pomik po osi Z: 350 mm, največja hitrost vretena: 2.500 obr/min, hitrost vretena (min.): 50 obr/min, poteza s peresom: 100 mm, Orodjarska rezkalna stroj V/H Proizvajalec: Emco Tip: FB-4 Leto izdelave: 2004 Krmiljenje: prikazovalnik Heidenhain ND-760 Tehnični parametri: ----- • Pomiki X-Y-Z: 450 x 300 x 350 mm • Vpenjalna površina: 800 x 400 mm • Vpenjanje orodja: SK-40 • Hodi pinole: 100 mm • Rezkalna glava vrtljiva ± 90° • Vreteno: 50 – 2.500 obr/min • Izbiranje hitrosti: 18 stopenj • Električno centralno mazanje • Strojna luč • Hladilni sistem • Kabina proti brizganju (zložljiva) • Teža: 1.550 kg • Dimenzije DxŠxV v mm: 1.485 x 1.500 x 1.700 mm Dodatna oprema: Redox Tzk Rspfx Abhen ----- • 4x nastavljive noge za stroj • Navodila za uporabo • Vpenjalni ključ • Nasprotni ležaj za vodoravno obdelavo • Set gredi za vodoravno obdelavo • Zaščitni pokrov mize (trenutno odstranjen) Na voljo sta dve identični stroji, obe servisirani in delno prenovljeni v Q4-2025.

Stanje: rabljeno, Leto izdelave: 1995, Technical Details: X-travel: 600 mm Y-travel: 400 mm Z-travel: 400 mm Table size: 800 x 400 mm Speed range: 63 - 3150 / 18 steps rpm Infinitely variable feed: X/Y/Z: 8 - 800 / 8 steps mm/min Spindle taper: SK 4 Spindle head swivels left and right: 90° Rsdpfx Aovbhcdsbhjn Quill stroke: 105 mm Total power requirement: 5.3 kW Machine weight approx.: 2,245 kg Machine dimensions LxWxH: 2.1 x 2.8 x 1.9 m Screen control replaced and upgraded to new LCD. The milling machine is equipped with a PROTOTRAK MX2 digital readout measuring system. The X and Y axes can run cycles (interpolation); the Z axis is moved manually. Spindle with clockwise/counterclockwise rotation Automatic tool clamping via control command Coolant device (without tank) Chip collection tray Tool accessories (as shown in the photo) *

Stanje: pripravljen za uporabo (rabljen), Leto izdelave: 2019, obratovalne ure: 40 h, Krmilna enota Znamka: SIEMENS Model: Sinumerik 828D Glavni pogon Območje hitrosti vretena: 10–5000 Število osi: 3 Premiki Premik osi X: 450 mm Premik osi Y: 350 mm Premik osi Z: 400 mm Orodja Tip nosilca orodja: SK40 Rsdpex D Havsfx Abhen Ta 3-osni EMCO Emcomat FB-450 MC je bil izdelan leta 2019. Opremljen je z delovnim hodom X450/Y350/Z400 mm, fiksno kotno mizo 800x400 mm ter nosilnostjo mize 450 kg. Hitrost vretena dosega do 5000 min⁻¹, hitro pomikanje znaša 5000 mm/min. Vključuje vmesnik Sinumerik 828D z večtočkovnim zaslonom in celovit 3-osni krmilni paket. Če iščete kakovostne zmogljivosti rezkanja, razmislite o stroju EMCO Emcomat FB-450 MC, ki je na voljo pri nas. Za več informacij nas kontaktirajte. Vrste uporabe Rezkanje

Stanje: dober (rabljeno), Leto izdelave: 1996, Rezkalni stroj, univerzalni rezkalni stroj, orodjarski rezkalni stroj, vrtalno-rezkalni stroj Rsdpfx Asxvraxobhjn -Proizvajalec: EMCO, rezkalni stroj z digitalnim prikazom in hidravličnim vpenjanjem -Miza za vpenjanje: 800 x 400 mm -Miza za vpenjanje: vrtljiva/nagibna/zvihljiva -Hodi X/Y/Z: 600/400/400 mm -Vpenjalo vretena: SK40 s hidravličnim vpenjanjem -Pribor: vključuje 9 držal za orodje, glejte fotografije -Hitrosti vretena: od 63 do 3150 o/min -Podajalnik X/Y: 16-800 mm/min -Podajalnik Z: 8-400 mm/min -Izvlek pinole: 100 mm -Hitri pomik X/Y: 2000 mm/min -Hitri pomik Z: 1000 mm/min -Naprava za hlajenje: da -Dimenzije: 1740/1670/V1940 mm -Teža: 2200 kg

Stanje: rabljeno, Leto izdelave: 2018, Obratovalne ure: 600 h Tehnični podatki: Pomik po osi X/Y/Z: 450 / 350 / 400 mm Razdalja med čelom vretena in mizo: 230 - 630 mm (vodoravno rezkalno vreteno) Hitri pomik X/Y/Z: 5000 / 5000 / 5000 mm/min Delovni pomik X/Y/Z: 10 - 2000 mm/min brezstopenjsko Maks. podajalna sila v X/Y/Z: 10 / 10 / 15 kN Vpenjalna površina: 800 x 400 mm (fiksna kotna miza) Maksimalna obremenitev mize: 30 kg (fiksna kotna miza) Vertikalna rezkalna glava: Območje vrtljajev: 10 - 5000 1/min Moč: 10 kW Dimenzije (DxŠxV), pribl.: 1980 x 2030 x 1990 mm Rjdsxu I Txopfx Abhsn Teža, pribl.: 2270 kg Oprema: - Zasukljiv upravljalni pult - Digitalni prikaz na osnovi Sinumerik 828D - Desnosmerni/levosmerni tek glavnega vretena - Linearna vodila - Rezkalno vreteno z radialno/aksialnim štirikratnim ležajem - Glavni motor z zavoro vretena - CE

Stanje: dober (rabljeno), Leto izdelave: 1996, x-Verfahrweg: 380 mm Redpfxoua E Nao Abhen y-Verfahrweg: 140 mm Pinolenhub: 40 mm Tischgröße: 630 x 150 mm Spindelaufnahme MK: 2 Spannung: 380/400 V

Stanje: pripravljen za uporabo (rabljen), Rezkalni stroj Emco emcomat FB4 CNC upravljanje po ose X in Y Proto Trak tipa AGE 2 Možna tudi konvencionalna uporaba. Vpenjanje SK40 Rjdpfx Abjxc H I Rehsn Hitrosti vretena: 50–2500 obr/min X-os: 450 mm Y-os: 300 mm Z-os: 350 mm Dolžina mize: 800 mm Širina mize: 400 mm Opremljen s hladilnim sistemom, izklopom v sili in odprtim varovalom mize z blokado (interlock).

Stanje: pripravljen za uporabo (rabljen), Ciklično vodeni stružni stroj EMCO E 330, letnik 1999, krmiljenje FAGOR 8055T. Premer struženja nad posteljo 720 mm, nad suportom 380 mm, višina med konicama 330 mm, razdalja med konicama 1500 mm. Avtomatski izmenjevalnik orodij 6-kratni VDI 40. Vpenjalna glava Camlock 8, premer vretena 108 mm, hitrost vretena 0–1200 vrt/min, brezstopenjska regulacija hitrosti. Pinola s konusom MK 6, premer pinole 120 mm, hod pinole 220 mm. Dimenzije: dolžina 4600 mm, širina 2360 mm, višina 2120 mm. Teža 6000 kg. Stroj je priključen in ga je mogoče preizkusiti. Rjdpfx Ajyghfysbhon

Stanje: skoraj kot novo (rabljeno), Leto izdelave: 2019, Transporter ostružkov Bürener, za Emco E45, Maxxturn 45, 345 II, z vsemi priključki. Stanje kot novo. Leto izdelave: 2019. Višina izmeta: 1200 mm. Redpfx Absyga Tpshon

Stanje: dober (rabljeno), Leto izdelave: 1998, obratovalne ure: 28.500 h, Funkcionalnost: popolnoma funkcionalen, potovalna razdalja osi X: 420 mm, pomik osi Y: 330 mm, pomik po osi Z: 240 mm, največja hitrost vretena: 5.000 obr/min, VMC 300 krmilnik Siemens 810D SK40 Redpswlpb Ujfx Abhen 12 orodnih mest v dobrem stanju popolnoma delujoč

Stanje: rabljeno, Leto izdelave: 1999, obratovalne ure: 65.090 h, Funkcionalnost: popolnoma funkcionalen, ET365 GS s podajalnikom palic in transporterjem za ostružke Stroj je popolnoma opremljen - Odtočni pladenj - Visokotlačna črpalka - Klimatska naprava za električno omarico - Kupa podajalnik Rjdpfx Asycvaqjbhjn - Stroj je bil kupljen iz delujoče proizvodnje in tehnično pregledan - Geometrija izmerjena in vse nastavljeno - Izrabljeni deli zamenjani - Vse funkcije pregledane oz. nastavljene Stroj je popolnoma delujoč in pripravljen za takojšnjo proizvodnjo Stroj je takoj na voljo

Stanje: dober (rabljeno), Hardness tester in working condition Redpfx Ajydlf Sebhjn

Stanje: pripravljen za uporabo (rabljen), Leto izdelave: 2019, obratovalne ure: 1.612 h, proizvajalec krmilnikov: SIEMENS, število osi: 3, Ta 3-osni EMCO MILL E350 je bil izdelan leta 2019 in je opremljen z napredno Siemensovo krmilno enoto za natančno upravljanje. To vertikalno obdelovalno središče je idealno za kompleksne rezkalne naloge in zagotavlja zanesljivo delovanje. Razmislite o možnosti nakupa tega vertikalnega obdelovalnega centra EMCO MILL E350. Za več informacij nas kontaktirajte. Rodeyfu Uxjpfx Abhen

Stanje: pripravljen za uporabo (rabljen), Leto izdelave: 2003, proizvajalec krmilnikov: SIEMENS, model krmilnika: SINUMERIK, skupna višina: 2.450 mm, širina mize: 325 mm, dolžina mize: 850 mm, obremenitev mize: 150 kg, največja hitrost vretena: 5.000 obr/min, moč vretenovega motorja: 9.000 W, število osi: 3, This Emco VMC 300 vertical machining center was manufactured in Austria in 2003. It is equipped with a SIEMENS SINUMERIK control system. Additional Equipment • Maximum torque: 100 Nm (at 5000 rpm), 78 Nm (optional at 8000 rpm) • Tool change time: T1: 5.8 s, T2: 3.9 s, T3: 3.9 s // Chip-to-chip time (VDI 2852): T1: 8.9 s, T2: 7.0 s, T3: 7.0 s • Coolant system: tank capacity 100 liters / flow rate 10 l/min / maximum delivery pressure 3.7 bar / 4 external nozzles • Lubrication system: automatic central lubrication for guideways and ball screw / grease lubrication for main spindle bearings • Pneumatic connection / system pressure 5 - 10 bar • Minimum air flow 750 l/min / average air consumption 180 l/min • Electrical connection: mains connection 3/PE ~ 400 V 50/60 Hz / connected load 15 kVA / main fuse 35 A (slow-blow) Machine Advantages Technical Machine Advantages • Qualitative advantages of the machine: • Reliable 12-position tool changer system • Integrated automatic lubrication system for guideways and ball screws Technical Specification Taper size: SK 40 Dimensions Redpjya Hg Nefx Abhon Machine depth: 2300 mm

Stanje: pripravljen za uporabo (rabljen), Leto izdelave: 2003, obratovalne ure: 4.902 h, potovalna razdalja osi X: 210 mm, pomik osi Y: 40 mm, pomik po osi Z: 610 mm, skupna višina: 2.500 mm, skupna masa: 6.000 kg, proizvajalec krmilnikov: SIEMENS, model krmilnika: Sumerik 810 D, število osi: 3, This 3-axis EMCO Turn 365 TCMY was manufactured in 2003 and features a 12-position tool turret, VDI 30 tool holders, and driven tools with a speed range of up to 4,000 rpm. It is equipped with a power chuck, live center, collet chuck device, and additional tool holders. This machine is ideal for precision turning applications, offering robust capabilities with a spindle bore of 65 mm and a Z-axis travel of 610 mm. Contact us for further information regarding this machine. Additional Equipment: • Oil cooler • Parts catcher Machine Advantages: Qualitative Advantages: • Machine is in very good condition Rjdpfjx D H Adjx Abhjn Technical Advantages: • Swing diameter over flat slide: 360 mm • Workpiece size with tailstock: 200 × 520 mm diameter • Tool carrier: 12-position turret • Driven tool speed range: 0-4000 rpm • Operating voltage: 400 V • Frequency: 50-60 Hz • Rated current: 29 A Additional Information: Available tooling and accessories: - Power chuck: KITAGAWA BB08 - Live center by RÖHM - Collet chuck device with 11 collets - 8 driven tool holders - Various left- and right-hand turning tool holders - Various holders for boring bars and drills - Various turning tool holders for indexable inserts Included accessories: - 1x Kitagawa power chuck - 1x live center - 8x driven tool holders - 1x collet chuck with 11 collets - 5x boring bar holders - 7x turning tool holders, left and right Dimensions: Machine depth: 4,000 mm

Stanje: dober (rabljeno), Leto izdelave: 1995, Description Control: Sinumerik 810M Spindle speed: 5,000 rpm Turret head: 12-position Table clamping area: Length 850 mm, Width 325 mm Very good condition, regularly maintained. Operating manual in German Number of axes: 3 (X, Y, Z) Rodpfxovt Amuo Abhon Travel X: 420 mm, Y: 330 mm, Z: 240 mm Control: Sinumerik 810M Max. spindle speed: 5,000 rpm Automatic tool changer for 12 tools Tool holder: SK40 Coolant system

Stanje: dober (rabljeno), Leto izdelave: 2019, Funkcionalnost: popolnoma funkcionalen, HYPERTURN 65-1300 (SM2Y2) DUOTURN with 2 turrets including driven tools and 2 Y-axes Highly productive CNC turning/milling center for complete machining of turned and milled parts with 1300 mm spindle distance Integrated spindle motors (ISM) on main and counter spindle (liquid cooled), with preloaded roller guides. Drive power: Main spindle - 29 kW Counter spindle - 29 kW Speed range: Main spindle 0 - 5000 rpm Counter spindle 0 - 5000 rpm Spindle connection (DIN 55026): Main spindle: KK 6 (Max. Bar Capacity ø77 mm) Counter spindle: KK6 Y-axis on both turret slides: • Travel range: +/- 50 mm Includes: • Hollow clamping cylinder incl. draw tube • Part ejector and flushing through counter spindle • Sinumerik 840D-sl/OPERATE control o emcoNNECT/APP-based user interface o 22" multi-touch display o IPC with 240 GB o SHOPTURN dialog programming o USB interface o Network drive / Ethernet o 3D simulation, and much more. • 2x 12-position BMT tool turrets, radial, with directional logic for up to 2x 12 driven tool stations! • Swivel speed adjustable with feed switch. o Performance data: o Max. 6.7 kW at 2650 rpm o Constant torque 25 Nm o Speed range 0-5000 rpm o C-axis for main and counter spindle o TRANSMIT software for easy C-axis programming • Chip conveyor Chip conveyor Minimum quantity lubrication • Control cabinet air conditioning unit • Hydraulic power unit • Machine light • 230 V socket on operator panel • 5 leveling elements • Documentation MT65/HT65 BigBore77-LEFT Bar capacity 3 inches (ø76.2 mm) instead of ø65 mm (main spindle). Draw tube connection: M85 x 2 Spindle connection (DIN 55026): A2-8 Max. speed: 4000 rpm Max. torque: 250 Nm Max. power: 29 kW Max. Chuck size: ø250 mm MT65/HT65 BigBore77-RIGHT Instead of the 65 mm counter spindle, the 76 mm counter spindle is fitted with spindle connection KK8 including part ejector. Draw tube connection: M85 x 2 Spindle connection (DIN 55026): KK8 Max. speed: 4000 rpm Max. torque: 250 Nm Max. power: 29 kW Max. chuck size: ø250 mm BMT turret (upper right) with direct drive for HT65DT/HT65TT/MT65 The VDI30 standard turret is replaced by a BMT turret with BMT55P precision interface. Max. speed: 12000 rpm Max. drive power: 10 kW Rsdpex Auyzefx Abhsn BMT turret (bottom) with direct drive for HT65-DT/-TT/HT65PM The VDI30 standard turret is replaced by a BMT turret with BMT55P precision interface. Max. speed: 12000 rpm Max. drive power: 10 kW Immediately available

Stanje: zelo dobro (rabljeno), Leto izdelave: 2017, Krmiljenje Heidenhain TNC 620 Pomiki X/Y/Z: 350 x 250 x 300 mm Vrtljaji vretena: 12.000 min-1 Rotacijska in nagibna miza Magazin orodij za 50 orodij, ISO 30 Transporter ostružkov Rjdpfx Absx Rpahshon LANG avtomatizacija

Stanje: dober (rabljeno), Merilnik trdote Tip: M5U 300-030 Proizvajalec: emco Rodpfx Aex U Dprobhen Stanje: rabljeno, dobro, brez garancije