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Stanje: skoraj kot novo (rabljeno), Leto izdelave: 2022, HOLZ-HER EVOLUTION 7405 4MAT – Vertical CNC Machining Center Year of manufacture: 2022 Operating hours: 4841 h Availability: October 2026 High-performance vertical CNC machining center, designed for drilling, milling, and grooving operations on wood panels and wood-based materials. Main features - Vertical machining with high-precision vacuum handling system - Rear workpiece clamping for complete perimeter processing without reclamping - Automatic CNC adjustment according to panel thickness (8 – 70 mm) - Panel measurement system via laser Technical data - Working length: 200 – 3200 mm - Working height (Y): 70 – 1200 mm - Panel thickness: 8 – 70 mm - Maximum speed: Vector: 68 m/min Axes: X 25 – Y 60 – Z 20 m/min Work units - Electrospindle 10.3 kW (air cooled) Ksdpey D Sx Hofx Al Nslr - Tool interface HSK-F63 - 6-position tool magazine - ChipControl system for spindle protection - XL drilling group – 19 spindles 13 vertical 6 horizontal Software and controls - Complete CAMPUS V7 EVOLUTION CAD/CAM software - Included modules: NC-HOPS, aCADemy, MT-Manager, Workcenter, Scenes - Integrated 3D simulation - Intuitive programming and advanced machining management - Remote control panel - USB port Equipment - ECO vacuum system (8 m³/h) - Automatic centralized lubrication - Retrofit kit included

Stanje: skoraj kot novo (rabljeno), Leto izdelave: 2022, HOLZ-HER DYNESTIC 7535 LIFT – Automatic CNC Nesting Centre Year of Manufacture: 2022 Operating Hours: 7,887 h Availability: October 2026 High-performance CNC nesting machining centre, ideal for processing wood-based panels, plastics, and light alloys. Machine equipped with a fully automatic loading/unloading system with lift table (LIFT version), designed for high-efficiency industrial production. Main Technical Data: - Working area: 4,600 x 2,200 mm - Axis travel (X-Y-Z): 6,195 x 2,935 x 565 mm - Passage height (Lift): 250 mm - Maximum speeds: Vectorial: 128 m/min Axes: X 80 – Y 100 – Z 25 m/min Machining Unit: - HSD 5-axis electrospindle – 13 kW, up to 24,000 rpm - Cardanic head: C axis ±360° / A axis ±180° - Liquid cooling - ChipControl sensor for spindle protection - Drilling unit with 24 spindles and integrated saw blade - 18 independent vertical spindles - L-shaped configuration (32 mm pitch) - 18-position (rotary) tool magazine Software and Control: - Complete CAMPUS V7 Plus CAD/CAM software Kjdpfx Asy D Sp Ejl Nolr - Modules included: NC-HOPS, aCADemy, MT-Manager, Workcenter - 3D simulation with BetterSim - Advanced nesting software BetterNest - Intuitive file import and programming - 21.5'' multitouch touchscreen monitor - Teleservice and remote diagnostics Worktable and Automation: - Nesting table with vacuum system - Vacuum pumps: 1 x 500 m³/h 1 x additional 250 m³/h - Automatic LIFT system (AUT 11): Lift table 4,200 x 2,200 mm Panel detection laser - Automatic loading (AUT 21): Gantry device with 4 suction cups - Automatic unloading: Pusher on upright column Discharge table with conveyor belt Additional Equipment: - 2 independent work zones - Electronic reference stops - Automatic centralised lubrication - TouchLabel PRO for labelling - TouchTool tool measuring system

Stanje: rabljeno, Leto izdelave: 1999, skupna višina: 3.000 mm, skupna dolžina: 6.400 mm, skupna širina: 4.300 mm, No. 3269 CNC Machining Center HOMAG BAZ 41/30K Used, Year of manufacture: 1999 Working dimensions: X 3000 mm / Y 1300 mm / Z 250 mm Edgebanding unit Drilling and milling unit with 4 spindles Flush milling unit Sanding unit Interchangeable air nozzle Ksdpfoy Dtp Hsx Al Nelr Adjustable milling and drilling unit Underfloor milling unit 12-position rotary tool changer WoodWOP 5.0 control system Overall dimensions with safety fence approx. 6400 x 4300 x 3000 mm (LxWxH) Sale on behalf of a customer, ex location near 71063 Sindelfingen, without disassembly, transport, or installation Disassembly, loading, and transport by us optional on request Errors in description and price excepted To avoid possible misunderstandings, an on-site inspection by appointment is possible and recommended Sale as is Technical data, condition description, year of manufacture, and scope of delivery according to manufacturer’s brochure or previous owner, without guarantee Subject to prior sale No warranty is provided for used machines; sold as seen Photos and videos are for reference only and do not represent the actual scope of delivery Terms of payment: Prices plus statutory VAT, payment before collection or dispatch Delivery conditions: ex location

Stanje: rabljeno, Leto izdelave: 1996, Technical details: X-axis travel: 2500 mm Y-axis travel: 560 mm Z-axis travel: 600 mm Control: TNC 426 CA Kodevad Hpjpfx Al Nelr Drilling capacity in steel (diameter): 400 cm³/min Max. milling capacity: 400 cm³/min Tool magazine with 34 stations Tool clamping force: 12 kN Spindle taper: SK 40 Spindle reach: 580 mm Spindle speed: 20...7500 infinitely variable rpm Spindle torque: 210 Nm Distance spindle nose to table: 0 - 600 mm Feed rate: X/Y/Z = 1 - 24,000 infinitely variable mm/min Rapid traverse: X/Y/Z = 24 infinitely variable m/min Feed force: X/Y = 6 kN and Z = 8 kN Table size: 3300 x 500 mm Table load - central/max.: 2500 kp Interface: yes Total power requirement: approx. 43 kW Machine weight approx.: 14.4 t Machine dimensions approx. (LxWxH): 3.05 x 5.6 x 3.0 m Chip conveyor dimensions (LxWxH): 6.6 x 0.6 x 1.3 m VERTICAL BORING AND MILLING CENTER with travelling column design. with integrated coolant supply Slat-band chip conveyor MAN+HUMMEL with coolant tank and pump Coolant filtration unit ALLWEILER AG, size L:1550 x W:1000 x H:1200 mm; filter band width 500 mm; pressure 30 bar Hydraulic unit Machining area can be partitioned with separating wall provided

Stanje: zelo dobro (rabljeno), Leto izdelave: 1995, on request Ksdpfxefxgmge Al Njlr

Stanje: dober (rabljeno), Leto izdelave: 2003, Vsi deli, prikazani ročno, niso priloženi stroju. Klodpfx Ajy Ddb Tjl Nor

Stanje: delavnici obnovljeno (rabljeno), Leto izdelave: 2005, Funkcionalnost: popolnoma funkcionalen, CNC univerzalni rezkalni & vrtalni stroj DECKEL MAHO DMU 80 monoBlock Z vodilnim krmiljenjem Heidenhain iTNC 530 Leto izdelave: 2005 Pomiki: X 980 Y 630 Z 630 Območje obratov: 0 – 18.000 min⁻¹ brezstopenjsko (HSK 63) Kljdpfxsy A Sf Re Al Ner Z naslednjo opremo: Fiksna kotna miza 1250 mm x 700 mm vpenjalna površina 3D merilna tipala Heidenhain Merjenje orodja v delovnem prostoru BLUM laser Vertikalni menjalec orodja z 32 mesti v magazinu (HSK 63) Popolna zaščitna kabina s drsnimi vrati in notranjo razsvetljavo Elektronski ročni pomik Način delovanja 3 + 4 Transporter za ostružke Hladilna naprava za hladilno sredstvo 3 kos nastavljivih strojnih nog Hladilnik za vretenovo olje Hladilnik krmilne omare (Rittal) Navodila za uporabo

Stanje: zelo dobro (rabljeno), Leto izdelave: 2008, Ponujamo v prodajo zelo dobro ohranjeno CNC obdelovalno središče HOLZ-HER EASY-MASTER 7018K. Stroj je pregledan, redno servisiran in pripravljen za takojšnjo uporabo. 🔧 Oprema in prednosti stroja: • Zmogljivo glavno rezkalno vreteno 6,5 kW (HSK 63 F) • Vrtalna enota: - 10 navpičnih vreten za vrtanje v površino - 4 vodoravna vretena za vrtanje v robove (2× os X, 2× os Y) • Utornik s krožno žago • Močna vakuumska črpalka BECKER • Magacin za orodje: 8 pozicij + spomin za 6 orodij izven stroja • Pregleden kontrolni pult, daljinsko upravljanje • Intuitivna programska oprema za vodenje CAMPUS • Set vakuumskih priseskov + Bonus – vrtljive priseske ⚙️ Konstrukcija Kedpfxjyc Ullj Al Nolr • Visokonatančna zaprta linearna vodila, zaščitena pred prahom in umazanijo • Dolgoročno stabilna natančnost, visoka togost in dolga življenjska doba 📦 Na voljo takoj

Stanje: dober (rabljeno), Leto izdelave: 2000, Funkcionalnost: popolnoma funkcionalen, potovalna razdalja osi X: 630 mm, pomik osi Y: 500 mm, pomik po osi Z: 500 mm, CNC krmiljenje Heidenhain TNC426 24-kratni menjalnik orodij Ročni kolo Transporter za ostružke Klsdpfx Ajy Dqxfjl Ner Sistem za hlajenje Tehnični podatki: X-hod: 630 mm Y-hod: 500 mm Z-hod: 500 mm Vpenjalo vretena: BT 40 Območje vrtljajev vretena: 0-8000 obr/min Območje podajal: 1-30000 mm/min Hitri pomik: 30 m/min Vpenjalna površina mize: 800x500 mm Število orodij v menjalniku: 24 Izhodna moč: 30 kW Teža pribl.: 6.500 kg Tehnični podatki, dodatki in opis stroja niso zavezujoči.

Stanje: rabljeno, Leto izdelave: 2002, Pomik osi - x 3.000 mm Pomik osi - y 560 mm Pomik osi - z 720 mm Klsdpfx Alsy A Tb Ho Ner Krmiljenje Siemens - 840D Število vrtljajev vretena 18.000 min⁻¹ Število mest v menjalcu orodij 100 Vpenjalo HSK 63 Obdelovalni center - Vertikalni | DMG - DMF 300 Linear Stroj je v zelo dobrem stanju in ga je mogoče kadar koli pod napetostjo ogledati na švicarski lokaciji tovarne.

Stanje: rabljeno, Leto izdelave: 2013, x-axis travel: 1,135 mm y-axis travel: 1,050 mm z-axis travel: 750 mm Control system: Heidenhain iTNC 530 Spindle speed range (main spindle), max: 14,000 rpm Main spindle drive power: 19 kW Max. torque: 100 Nm Tool holder: HSK-A 63 Clamping area (table): 1,400 x 1,050 mm Max. table load: 2,500 kg Max. workpiece dimensions: 1,400 x 1,240 mm Max. workpiece height: 750 mm Number of tool stations: 30 positions Tool holder: HSK-A 63 Max. tool diameter: 80 mm Max. tool diameter with adjacent pockets free: 160 mm Max. tool length: 365 / 395 mm Max. tool weight: 8.0 kg Tool change time (chip-to-chip): 6.1 sec Max. feed rate: 40,000 mm/min Rapid traverse: 40 m/min Acceleration: 6 m/s² Feed force (X / Y / Z): 14 / 20 / 14 kN Total power consumption: 44 kVA Machine weight: approx. 14.4 t Space requirement: approx. 6.0 x 5.0 x 3.3 m CNC Vertical Machining Center DMG MORI SEIKI - DMU 105 monoBLOCK - Spindle hours: approx. 9,518h - Production package: (Chip conveyor, coolant system 600 l, paper band filter, internal coolant supply 40 bar / 23 l/min through spindle center) - Air Clear: Air curtain for viewing window Ksdpfx Alsyztyaj Nelr

Stanje: dober (rabljeno), Leto izdelave: 2010, številka stroja/vozila: AA2/001307, Funkcionalnost: popolnoma funkcionalen, obratovalne ure: 25.000 h, potovalna razdalja osi X: 6.500 mm, pomik osi Y: 1.700 mm, pomik po osi Z: 250 mm, dolžina obdelovanca (maks.): 6.500 mm, širina obdelovanca (maks.): 1.350 mm, višina obdelovanca (maks.): 180 mm, proizvajalec krmilnikov: NUM, skupna višina: 2.750 mm, skupna dolžina: 8.000 mm, skupna širina: 4.000 mm, dolžina mize: 6.500 mm, širina mize: 1.350 mm, model krmilnika: 1040, dolžina podajanja os X: 6.500 mm, dolžina pomika po osi Y: 1.300 mm, dolžina podajanja os Z: 1 mm, hitrost pomika os X: 6.000 m/min, hitrost podajanja osi Y: 45.000 m/min, hitrost podajanja os Z: 30.000 m/min, moč vretenovega motorja: 11 W, nazivna (navidezna) moč: 15 kVA, hitri pomik na osi Z: 30.000 m/min, hitro pomikanje X-os: 60.000 m/min, hitri pomik os Y: 45.000 m/min, hitrost vretena (min.): 24.000 obr/min, višina mize: 950 mm, Working directions of axes X-Y-Z 6500 x 1350 x 250 mm Working area 6500 x 1250 mm C-Axis = 640, B-Axis =270 Milling unit PRISMA wit 5 interpolating axes X, Y, Z, C, B Electric spindle 11 kW, 600-20.000 rpm Kljdpfx Aljw Au N Sj Nsr Tool holder HSK63 Working table with TVN pads and vacuum suckers Cross laser projector on the working table TVN vacuum sucker Pneumatic clamps Tool magazine 24 holders Drilling unit Vacuum pump 5,5 kW 250 m³/h CNC control NUM Operating system: Windows XP Xilog Plus Maestro Weight approx. 5450 kg

Stanje: delavnici obnovljeno (rabljeno), Leto izdelave: 2010, • Travels: X=3100 mm, Y=1950 mm, Z=1390 mm • Heidenhain iTNC 530 with HR 410 handwheel • Machine table for multi-sided machining: 3000 mm x 1600 mm • 2-axis NC universal drilling and milling head, suitable for simultaneous and positioning mode • Spindle: 10,000 rpm, HSK 100, 130 Nm spindle torque • Tool changer system HSK 100 / 40 stations for tools up to 750 mm long • Swarf screw conveyors in X-axis, optimized chip removal • Chip conveyor (scraper-type) for transverse discharge, make: Knoll • Coolant supply 900 l, make: Knoll • External air • ICS (internal coolant supply) 60 bar for deep hole drilling • Enclosure with safety glass panels, open top for optimized crane loading • Split sliding doors at the front • Split sliding doors on the operator side • Wireless probing system RMP 60 • Including wash gun • Including platforms on the loading and operator side Kodpfx Ajy Aygiel Njlr • Completely factory overhauled and newly painted • Short delivery time upon agreement, subject to prior sale • Used machine • Y-axis ball screw replaced in September 2021, including bearings • X-axis linear guide and guide carriages replaced in July 2023 • Milling spindle overhauled May 2023 (new clamping set, new clamping cartridge, new rotary feed-through, general inspection performed) (23,105 spindle hours) • Under power for inspection in 72793 Pfullingen • Optional: clamps • Optional: commissioning/installation • Optional: transport • 23,122 total spindle hours • 53,991 total machine hours • Year of manufacture: 2010 Subject to prior sale

Stanje: rabljeno, Leto izdelave: 2007, številka stroja/vozila: 1060532, Dimenzije mize: 800x3100 mm 7500 vrt/min Kedjy Alfdspfx Al Njlr

Stanje: rabljeno, Leto izdelave: 2000, številka stroja/vozila: 22910, širina mize: 360 mm, dolžina mize: 660 mm, Dimenzije mize: 360 mm x 660 mm Kjdjy Ak A Ujpfx Al Njlr

Stanje: pripravljen za uporabo (rabljen), Leto izdelave: 2003, Funkcionalnost: popolnoma funkcionalen, potovalna razdalja osi X: 600 mm, pomik osi Y: 600 mm, pomik po osi Z: 600 mm, model krmilnika: Fanuc G-Tech 16i, dolžina mize: 500 mm, TEHNIČNI PODATKI Pomik X-os: 600 mm Kedpfxoy Atwue Al Nslr Pomik Y-os: 600 mm Pomik Z-os: 600 mm Dimenzije mize: 500 mm x 500 mm PODROBNOSTI STROJA CNC krmiljenje: Fanuc G-Tech 16i Magazin orodij: 120 mest Notranje hlajenje: 70 bar OPREMA 6-kratni menjalec palet 4. os Visokotlačna enota Knoll Opomba: Stroj je že demontiran.

Stanje: dober (rabljeno), Leto izdelave: 2001, Funkcionalnost: popolnoma funkcionalen, številka stroja/vozila: P014TM481, potovalna razdalja osi X: 500 mm, pomik osi Y: 400 mm, pomik po osi Z: 400 mm, proizvajalec krmilnikov: FANUC, model krmilnika: SERIES 16i-M, skupna višina: 2.200 mm, skupna dolžina: 2.500 mm, skupna širina: 2.000 mm, širina mize: 410 mm, dolžina mize: 850 mm, skupna masa: 2.000 kg, število mest v zalogovniku orodij: 14, STAMA FANUC MC 014 CNC vertikalni obdelovalni center - Obratovalna napetost: 400 V - Frekvenca: 50 Hz - Nazivni tok: 17 A - Miza s tremi T-utori Stroj je opremljen s 14-pozicijskim orodnim revolverjem. Pozor: Strojski primež, viden na fotografijah, ni vključen v dobavo! Pozor: Artikel mora biti obvezno prevzet med 07. in 09.07.2026 na še dogovorjenem terminu. FCA D-71263 Weil der Stadt – naloženo na tovornjak. Klodpfxey Dcp No Al Njr

Stanje: dober (rabljeno), Funkcionalnost: popolnoma funkcionalen, potovalna razdalja osi X: 400 mm, pomik osi Y: 500 mm, pomik po osi Z: 400 mm, proizvajalec krmilnikov: GRUNDIG, model krmilnika: MILLPLUS, skupna višina: 2.500 mm, skupna dolžina: 3.000 mm, skupna širina: 2.400 mm, širina mize: 380 mm, dolžina mize: 500 mm, skupna masa: 4.000 kg, DECKEL MAHO DMU 50 V CNC vertikalni obdelovalni center - Obratovalna napetost: 400 V - Frekvenca: 50 Hz - Nazivni tok: 80 A - Priključek: 29 kVA - Miza s 5 T-utori Pozor: artikel je treba obvezno prevzeti med 07. in 09.07.2026 na še dogovorjen datum. FCA D-71263 Weil der Stadt - naloženo na tovornjak Kjdpfoy Dcn Eex Al Nolr

Stanje: dober (rabljeno), Leto izdelave: 2004, Funkcionalnost: popolnoma funkcionalen, potovalna razdalja osi X: 1.020 mm, pomik osi Y: 510 mm, pomik po osi Z: 510 mm, največja hitrost vretena: 14.000 obr/min, Fanuc 18i MAPPS CNC krmiljenje elektronski ročni kolešček 30-kratni menjalec orodja IKZ Transporter za ostružke Tehnični podatki: Pomik X / X-potovanje: 1020 mm Pomik Y / Y-potovanje: 510 mm Pomik Z / Z-potovanje: 510 mm Kedpfjy Ddqhox Al Nolr Velikost mize: 1320x660 mm Vpenjalni stožec: SK40 Območje vrtljajev: 0-14000 min⁻¹ (rpm) Število mest za orodja v ATC: 30 Hitri pomik x, y, z: 42, 42, 42 m/min Pogonska moč vretena: 22 kW Teža stroja pribl.: 7300 kg Tehnični podatki, dodatna oprema in opis stroja niso zavezujoči.

Stanje: dober (rabljeno), Leto izdelave: 2010, Funkcionalnost: popolnoma funkcionalen, potovalna razdalja osi X: 510 mm, pomik osi Y: 410 mm, pomik po osi Z: 510 mm, CNC krmiljenje Fanuc Oi-MD el. ročni kolesar 24-pozicijski menjalec orodja Tehnični podatki: Pomik X / X-hod: 510 mm Pomik Y / Y-hod: 410 mm Pomik Z / Z-hod: 510 mm Velikost mize: 600x400 mm Vretenasti stožec: SK40 Obratovalni razpon vretena: 12000 min⁻¹ Hitri pomik X,Y,Z: 36/36/36 m/min Število orodnih mest v ATC: 24 Pogonska moč vretena: 11,5 kW Teža stroja pribl.: 4000 kg Kodpjy Ddnysfx Al Nelr Tehnični podatki, dodatki in opis stroja niso zavezujoči.

Stanje: rabljeno, Leto izdelave: 2023, Exhibition machine Garbsen CNC-CONTROLLED MACHINING CENTER morbidelli m100 Drilling and Milling Made for You! This numerically controlled machining center is equipped with a comprehensive range of milling and drilling tools to meet every woodworking requirement. Highly efficient – with drilling spindles up to 8,000 rpm and industry-leading technology, offering the most robust spindle on the market with over 1,000 maintenance-free operations. Fully equipped – the suction cups can be individually configured using the TV FLEX worktable to tailor the machine to any specific need. Easy and intuitive programming is ensured by the integrated Cad-Cam MAESTRO CNC software. User-friendly operation – the lowered machine frame allows for unrestricted access to the worktable at all times. The control cabinet and vacuum pump are integrated into the machine base, and in the PRO SPACE version, no additional safety measures are required. Support structure The supporting structure consists of an exceptionally sturdy monolithic steel base, heavily ribbed for maximum robustness. The extra-wide support was specially designed to ensure stability and consistent precision under all operating conditions. Floor anchoring is not necessary. The base provides a large and solid foundation for the moving gantry: the working unit is equipped with a balanced, stable, and resilient support to withstand the most demanding workloads, ensuring superior quality and increased accuracy. The moving portal is fabricated from a solid single piece that is anchored to the base and travels on prismatic guides with recirculating ball carriages of the highest quality. The working unit is attached and moves on Y and Z axes, also on prismatic guides with recirculating ball carriages. Motion for the lower moving unit (X axis) and the working unit along the gantry traverse (Y axis) is accomplished via rack and pinion drives with helical gears, providing higher tooth engagement for greater acceleration and increased speed along X and Y axes. The specially designed helical gearing greatly reduces wear on mechanical parts and ensures quieter operation. The vertical Z axis is driven by a recirculating ball screw, ensuring perfect balance under dynamic load and withstanding high acceleration and deceleration. The main milling unit is directly coupled to the Z-axis carriage, delivering extremely high finishing quality due to the elimination of vibrations. Movement along the X-Y-Z axes is performed by brushless motors powered by static inverters, offering: - Reduced processing times thanks to improved acceleration - Better positioning accuracy due to high-resolution encoders - No setup required upon machine start-up thanks to absolute encoders - Elimination of regular maintenance since the brushless system contains no brushes. Axis movement and all working elements are managed by... Klsdoytrgzepfx Al Ner

Stanje: rabljeno, številka stroja/vozila: 008480, Delovno območje os X: 4600 mm Delovno območje os Y: 1935 mm Delovna površina: S konzolami z vakuumskim prijemom Moč glavnega vretena: 18 kW Število krmiljenih osi: 5 osi Število vrtalnih vreten: 31 Število orodnih mest: 58 Kodpfoy Edqksx Al Nolr

Stanje: rabljeno, številka stroja/vozila: 008481, Delovno območje os X: 6360 mm Klsdpoy Edpmjfx Al Ner Delovno območje os Y: 1680 mm Delovna površina: Z vakuumskimi konzolnimi nosilci Moč glavnega vretena: 11 kW Število krmiljenih osi: 5 osi Število vrtalnih vreten: 23 Število mest za orodje: 36

Stanje: zelo dobro (rabljeno), Leto izdelave: 2018, Funkcionalnost: popolnoma funkcionalen, Krmiljenje: Siemens SL Število orodnih mest: 160 Vpenjalo orodja: HSK 63 Hitrost vretena: 10.000 min-1 / 242N Velikost palete: 630×500 mm Število palet: 2 X-os: 800 mm Y-os: 800 mm Kljdpfx Aljy Ap Eus Njr Z-os: 1000 mm Največja obremenitev mize: 1000 kg

Stanje: zelo dobro (rabljeno), Leto izdelave: 1999, Yang Eagle SMV 1000 Leto izdelave: 1999 Krmiljenje: - Fanuc OM - Elektronski ročni kolesček Glavna vretena: - max. 6000 obr/min Menjalnik orodij: - 20 mest v magazinu Ksdpsyz R Ubefx Al Nelr Pomiki: - X-1020, Y-510, Z-510 mm Miza: - Vpenjalna površina 1070 x 500 mm - Transporter za ostružke Razpoložljivost: - Takoj ali po dogovoru